Low Limit Poker Forum wpt dollar
Low Limit Poker Forum
September 04, 2010, 11:40:48 am *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
News: Low Limit Blog gets it's own home.
You can visit the Low Limit Poker Blog at http://www.lowlimitblog.com
 
   Home   Help Login Register  

Pages: [1]   Go Down
  Print  
Author Topic: AA on Coordinated Board  (Read 240 times)
CoolDuck
Guest
« on: February 14, 2009, 05:39:13 am »

Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the forum.  I'm a $1/$2 limit 6 max player (what can I say, I'm a sucker for punishment).  I'd like to get more people posting limit hand histories for discussion. 

Hand Details:
         
            VP$IP/PFR/AF
Player1: 76.92/15.38/.7
Player3: 49.23/1.54/.64
Player6: 40.46/0/.43

These stats are for real.... and the sample size is decent.  Let's just say a few buddies got added on UltimateBet :P

  Player Notes:
  Player 1:  Started off very loose passive, now seems to be opening up a bit more.  At the time I didn't have as large of a   PokerTraker sample size, so his PFR lower than shown above.
  Player 3:  Super loose passive and straightforward.
  Player 6:  Same as player 3.  Though I think checkers would be a better game for this guy...  0 PFR???

In the video below it's $1/$2

<a href="http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=292203" target="_blank">http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/flash/replayer.swf?pokerhandid=292203</a>

My Thoughts:

Flop:
I hate the idea of building this pot on the flop.  There's no way to protect my hand, and if I bet out and get a raise and a few callers the pot is huge.  I elect to C/C and see how the passive players react on the turn.
Turn:
Safe card, but I'm still worried about player's 1 range, since at the time I have a low PFR for him.  I C/C
River:
Considered betting out, but I have him tagged as somewhat loose passive/ so I C/C again and just go to showdown.

1.) What do you guys think my play on this hand and my thinking?
2.) After looking back at this hand, I see a possible turn check-raise since the loose passive players are out.  Thoughts on this play?


 
 




Logged
Tony
Registered User
Seven Deuce Offsuit w/ +EV
************
Offline Offline

Posts: 5959



« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2009, 06:38:27 am »

Hi Duck,

Welcome to the forum.  It makes a refreshing change to see a newcomer who wants to make a genuine post Smile

Quote
Flop:
I hate the idea of building this pot on the flop.  There's no way to protect my hand, and if I bet out and get a raise and a few callers the pot is huge.  I elect to C/C and see how the passive players react on the turn.

I think you should have bet the flop.  You'll usually still be ahead, you were the last aggressor preflop and you're against opponents who will cold call with a wide range and pay you off with such.  Even if you put the UTG raiser on 10% you're still ahead of most of his range.  You're not betting to protect your hand, you're betting for value imo.

For example, let's give him a range of {77+, ATs+, AJ+, KJs+, KQ, QJs, JTs}.  That's a little less than 10%.

Remembering that the Ah and Ac are accounted for, we can look at how many hands he's likely to continue with that you're ahead of.  I'm going to assume that he won't have a set because KK, JJ and TT would probably have capped preflop.  I'll also assume he doesn't have QQ for the same reason.

Hands that are beating you:

Straight with AQ: 8 combos
Two pair with KJs or JTs: 4 combos

Hands you're beating:

Top pair with AK or KQ: 18 combos
Middle pair with AJ or QJs: 9 combos
Weak pair with 77, 88, 99 or AT: 24 combos

(Some of these also have a gutshot or oesd, etc.)

Hands you're splitting with:

The other two aces: 1 combo

You might question whether you'll get called by hands like 77 on this flop.  Well, you might not.  But then again, loose passive players like to call, particularly on the flop.

If you include the big pairs in his range (TT-KK) then the numbers are closer, but I think these are unlikely given the preflop action.  It looks like a pretty clear value bet on the flop to me.

Quote
Turn:
Safe card, but I'm still worried about player's 1 range, since at the time I have a low PFR for him.  I C/C

I really don't like this.  If you're going to check the flop to wait for a safe turn card, you have to get some value on the turn imo.  The problem is that you're against a passive opponent who may not bet for you to check-raise.  Donking the turn is an option if you're unsure whether he'll bet.

Quote
River:
Considered betting out, but I have him tagged as somewhat loose passive/ so I C/C again and just go to showdown.

This doesn't really make sense.  If he's passive he'll often check behind even with a hand he should be value betting, so checking to him can't be right if it's value you're after.

I think you're considering betting out because you think you might still be ahead, and you're worried you might be missing some value?  Am I right?

The fact that you're worried about this on the river I think shows that you probably played the hand too passively on the earlier streets.

Anyway, good to have you here, and good luck in the freeroll.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2009, 06:41:36 am by Tony » Logged

CoolDuck
Guest
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 06:55:39 am »

All good valid points.  In general, this is not how I typically play.

I agree with your combination math, but I would also consider the other passive players, who have a much wider cold calling range.  My thinking was in terms of reverse implied odds, with raisers range and cold-callers range included. 

That being said, I think you're still right.  The fact that I have an overpair + gutshot means I shouldn't being playing here passively.  I think more aggression is called for, and then if a passive player makes a raise on the turn go from there.  Thanks for your comment.
Logged
Deadmoney
Registered User
Seven Deuce Offsuit w/ +EV
************
Online Online

Posts: 8772



« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2009, 09:49:18 am »

Forgive me post on the other forum..you play LIMIT  on the replayer it says NO LIMIT Confused

I agree with Tony, I would have led the flop as I closed the action, its been awhile since I played limit and am a little rusty.

Quote
really don't like this.  If you're going to check the flop to wait for a safe turn card, you have to get some value on the turn imo.  The problem is that you're against a passive opponent who may not bet for you to check-raise.  Donking the turn is an option if you're unsure whether he'll bet.

+1


I used to play @ party and was a winning player up to $3/6 FR, buts its been awhile

Regards David
Logged

  DO NOT CONFUSE LUCK, WITH SKILL!

Movie Quote from.... "The Replacement Killers" after John Lee escapes from his Assassins and "Kogan" is reporting the escape to the Big Boss (Wei) and saying that Lee "got lucky this time..."
Pages: [1]   Go Up
  Print  
 
Jump to:  













Quality Poker Links
HTML Site Map

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.11 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!