call or raise on flop?

[lowraise]

ok, early in the session, do you just call or raise? table is playing passive and no one is running it over or being too aggressive. Table VPIP is 45

PokerStars GAME #21494608845:  HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/10/25 20:18:29 ET
Table 'Arethusa II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Gizardpuke ($27.05 in chips)
Seat 2: 111appi ($20.20 in chips)
Seat 3: deaner420 ($15.65 in chips)
Seat 4: y y yates ($25.15 in chips)
Seat 5: lacroupier ($7.10 in chips)
Seat 6: lowraise ($24.50 in chips)
Gizardpuke: posts small blind $0.10
111appi: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to lowraise [ ]
deaner420: calls $0.25
y y yates: calls $0.25
lacroupier: folds
lowraise: calls $0.25
Gizardpuke: calls $0.15
111appi: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Gizardpuke: checks
111appi: checks
deaner420: bets $0.50
y y yates: calls $0.50
lowraise: ?

[CHARADES]

Hi Lowraise.
This is an eternal question is it not?
In my opinion there is no exact answer.
In several schools I play in B&M I am conceived as a bluffer (which I am some of the time).
So I could use this to my advantage and bet heavy.
Anyone with a K could well call me, then I'll put em all-in, then they are f**** unless they hit a K.
However the other point of view is if you raise heavy now you may get no callers and win next to nothing.
Never the less, in my opinion, it is correct to raise heavily here.
You don't want them catching flushes, do you.
I have lost over and over again by slow playing a set.
Sure I've trapped them sometimes by slow playing, but, I have lost some very big pots by slow playing a set.
RAISE!!!

[Tony]

I raise this Chris.  You're probably not going to get more than one street of value from a king or pocket pair 77-QQ regardless, but at these limits you'll get two streets of value from flush draws because nobody folds them.  Your hand isn't strong enough to slowplay imo.

[CHARADES]

Wow Tony,
We agree.
I'm getting there!
This may seem a piss take.
It's not meant to be.
Luv
Charades

[Deadmoney]

I raise this Chris.  You're probably not going to get more than one street of value from a king or pocket pair 77-QQ regardless, but at these limits you'll get two streets of value from flush draws because nobody folds them.  Your hand isn't strong enough to slowplay imo.

+1

[Coughy_boy]

What I'm looking at here is the PF play.  I really don't like the limp here.  This hand is so weak, that it's raise or fold for me.  And yes, I know there are theoretical arguments against, based on cards and position.

But I'm looking at everything else here, my image, table psychology, etc.  If you min raise PF, they'll probably all call, so basically all you've done is double the stakes.  This hand is flop it or drop it, so you're doing exactly what you shouldn't, which is exactly what you should.

And it's much easier to continue here with a small amount of -EV deceit PF.  If you had raised PF and the flop was checked to you, or you were bet into, would you still be asking your question?

If the table is so passive, I'll even open raise, or make the first raise, from MP with this hand.

[Tony]

Ha ha, no offence taken at all Bob 

[verstehen]

preflop is fine, raise flop, this is the sort of board you were looking for.

[robsmith82]

Any reason this isnt a button raise preflop?

(Yes I havent played in over a month, but I cant let you guys start being all passive on the button!  )

[Deadmoney]

Any reason this isnt a button raise preflop?

(Yes I havent played in over a month, but I cant let you guys start being all passive on the button!  )

Because you aggy fucker, this hand plays well in Multi-way pots, you have position and two limpers, I would want a little more hand strength to do this

Regards David

[robsmith82]

"You have position and two limpers"

thats a reason to raise, not to limp surely?

I think this is a standard raise 80% of the time. Your hand isnt too important at this point.  The fact that it is a connector is a nice bonus though.

I know Dave's still passive preflop, but the rest of you dont play like this do you? 

[lowraise]

Main reason Rob was that the table was very passive and a couple of calling stations any pfr would of been called. Maybe if they were suited and connected I might of bumped it up but not when they are unsuited with 2 people to play in the blinds and 2 limpers behind