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« on: October 25, 2008, 08:19:23 am »

PokerStars Game #21482189878:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/10/25 12:11:36 ET
Table 'Giomus' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: ivanwinWSOP ($21.08 in chips)
Seat 2: flk0s ($12.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Choique27 ($6.59 in chips)
Seat 4: TMaMaC ($3.39 in chips)
Seat 5: FORZA-IBRA ($9.76 in chips)
Seat 6: JotaC ($2.50 in chips)
Seat 7: revange57 ($16.52 in chips)
Seat 8: Aceh793 ($8.60 in chips)
Seat 9: 97Hawk ($5.21 in chips)
Aceh793: posts small blind $0.02
97Hawk: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to FORZA-IBRA [Kd Kc]
ivanwinWSOP: folds
flk0s: folds
Choique27: folds
TMaMaC: raises $0.20 to $0.25
FORZA-IBRA: raises $0.20 to $0.45
JotaC: calls $0.45
revange57: calls $0.45
Aceh793: folds
97Hawk: folds
TMaMaC: calls $0.20
*** FLOP *** [Jc 4s Qc]
TMaMaC: checks
FORZA-IBRA: bets $0.70
JotaC: raises $1.35 to $2.05 and is all-in
revange57: calls $2.05
TMaMaC: folds
FORZA-IBRA: raises $1.35 to $3.40
revange57: raises $12.67 to $16.07 and is all-in
FORZA-IBRA: calls $5.91 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($6.76) returned to revange57
*** TURN *** [Jc 4s Qc] [7h]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4s Qc 7h] [Ac]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
FORZA-IBRA: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
revange57: shows [Jh Qs] (two pair, Queens and Jacks)
revange57 collected $13.77 from side pot
JotaC: shows [Qd Ad] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
JotaC collected $7.67 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $22.54 Main pot $7.67. Side pot $13.77. | Rake $1.10
Board [Jc 4s Qc 7h Ac]
Seat 1: ivanwinWSOP folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: flk0s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Choique27 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: TMaMaC folded on the Flop
Seat 5: FORZA-IBRA showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: JotaC showed [Qd Ad] and won ($7.67) with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 7: revange57 (button) showed [Jh Qs] and won ($13.77) with two pair, Queens and Jacks
Seat 8: Aceh793 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: 97Hawk (big blind) folded before Flop

pf now i feel like i should've raised more, didn't really expect two more callers.
on the flop i knew someone had aq..  i thought the other guy had kq or aq too.  i definitely considered jq, but really, i assumed no one was bad enough to actually enter a multiway pf 3bet pot with jq........  ugh!  i guess it seems obvious now that i should've just called or gotten out.  i don't know...  frustrating shit...
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 08:29:48 am »

Definitely raise more pre-flop, at least to 0.75, even more than that is fine. 

Situation is not THAT bad on the flop, with an overpair you will suck out against top 2 and TPTK 1/3 of the time

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5343695

pokenum  -h kd kc  - ad qd  - jh qs  -- qc jc 4s
Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 4s Qc Jc
cards  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
Kc Kd  285  31.56   618  68.44    0  0.00  0.316
Ad Qd   99  10.96   802  88.82    2  0.22  0.111
Qs Jh  517  57.25   384  42.52    2  0.22  0.574

HOWEVER once you bet the flop (which is totally reasonable), get raised, and the third guy FLAT-CALLS THAT RAISE, you absolutely are behind, nobody is every flat-calling a bet and a raise with less than 2 pair or 3-of-a-kind here.  Do not shove the flop here.  Don't fold, but shoving is spew. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 09:19:11 am »

Yea I got into a hand like this yesterday.....where I guess I coulda folded, when I 3bet an UTG raiser with KK, next guy shoves, original raiser shoves and its up to me?

we all got it all-in for $100 a piece and one guy shows AKs, the other has AA and that was it........ *sigh*

Regards David
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