Nut flush Pairs on the river?

[Deadmoney]

Dear All,

1st session after getting power back UTAC

This player was Taggy...he was up to 300BB on my other table, never showed down with less than the nuts or near as dammit.


Over 327 hands was running 22/14/4

Whats your play here...... I just called the turn as I was in position and was ready to raise/VB river?



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Regards David

[poskid]

First...I raise the flop.  That way we can get it all in without overbetting the pot.  We were the preflop aggressor and we can probably take away a lot of hands that have us beat right now and doesnt totally bust our draw.

As played I think we have to raise something here.  A min raise or 2.5x his bet.  I hate the minbet a lot but against this opp it lets us get away from our hand if he shoves.  Our hand is too strong to just call.  There are some hands that he may be able to call a small raise with maybe     I think I'm confused???

I'm going to stick with a river raise to 37.

PK

[cerealpoker]

i have to raise this.  i'd probably raise him another 25-30.  ok, he could have a house, but the odds are certainly against that.  he could have some over pocket pair, two pair, or even top pair.  what actually happened?

[Coughy_boy]

He could have for all you know.  I think you have to call.  With the board paired, a raise only makes sense if you can put him on a str8 or flush.  If he plays back, are you a favorite?

        You were all ballsy PF and then you went passive.  Trying to disguise your hand, I suppose.  Is this a slowplay?  Were the conditions right for a slowplay?

[Deadmoney]

He could have for all you know.  I think you have to call.  With the board paired, a raise only makes sense if you can put him on a str8 or flush.  If he plays back, are you a favorite?

        You were all ballsy PF and then you went passive.  Trying to disguise your hand, I suppose.  Is this a slowplay?  Were the conditions right for a slowplay?

 CB, Its an EASY call, esp for a pissy 1/2 pot river bet, My question is:  Should I raise against this Op here?

Is this a slowplay?  Were the conditions right for a slowplay?

I think so..... I am in position and at the turn have the board somewhat crushed


SPOILER ALERT..... results in white below

I just called, and he flips AA........ I am not sure who was more surprised, Me seeing the AA or him that I didnt raise him on one of the later streets.

I think a turn raise was the best move


Regards David

[Coughy_boy]

My question is:  Should I raise against this Op here?

I understood the question.  My answer was:  "I think you have to call."

"In most cases, for a slowplay to be correct, all of the following must be true:

1.  You must have a very strong hand.
2.  The free card or cheap card ... must have good possibilities of making them a second-best hand.
3.  That same free card must have little chance of making someone a better hand ...
4.  You must be sure you will drive other players out by showing aggression ...
5.  The pot must not yet be very large."

David Sklansky, The Theory of Poker, p. 144 (emphasis added).

[poskid]

David Sklansky, The Theory of Poker, p. 144 (emphasis added).

That book was written about limit poker and the advice you just quoted doesnt have much merit in this instance.

DM...Raising the flop works well in these hands for balance against sets etc.  But I still think that raising the turn is going to be best when you play the hand this way.  He has put quite a bit of money into the pot and is going to have a hard time laying down any decent showdown hand.

PK

[Coughy_boy]

That book was written about limit poker

Then why all the examples from NL?  Seems rather odd.

[robsmith82]

My question is:  Should I raise against this Op here?

I understood the question.  My answer was:  "I think you have to call."

"In most cases, for a slowplay to be correct, all of the following must be true:

1.  You must have a very strong hand.
2.  The free card or cheap card ... must have good possibilities of making them a second-best hand.
3.  That same free card must have little chance of making someone a better hand ...
4.  You must be sure you will drive other players out by showing aggression ...
5.  The pot must not yet be very large."

David Sklansky, The Theory of Poker, p. 144 (emphasis added).

Coughy, some of this advice doesnt really hold up when you look at 100BB+ stack NL Holdem.  A lot of the time, you have to slowplay BECAUSE you hand is not very strong.  You need to protect your stack as oppose to protecting your hand.  Number 1 is certainly not true.

[robsmith82]

To clarfiy, I would still raise the turn here, and sometimes the flop.

[cerealpoker]

My son Kai, making a move on me............

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